Trump’s horrific justification for Iran War revealed: “We’ll all die anyway”

Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson were once two of the most recognizable voices in the same political movement.

Carlson spoke at the 2024 Republican National Convention, enthusiastically backed Trump’s return to the White House and enjoyed direct access to the man he helped promote.

Iran has since helped turn that relationship into something very different.

Carlson has now revealed what he says happened during a private Oval Office conversation shortly before the United States and Israel went to war with Iran — including a striking response he claims Trump gave after being warned about the possible consequences.

According to Carlson, Trump told him: “Yes, you’re right. But in the end, we all die anyway, so it doesn’t matter.”

No independent witness has corroborated Carlson’s account. NPR asked the White House about the alleged remark, but the administration did not directly address whether Trump said it.

Carlson says Trump knew the risks

Carlson described the conversation during an interview with NPR host Steve Inskeep released Thursday.

Their discussion focused heavily on Carlson’s break with Trump and his opposition to the war with Iran.

Inskeep challenged Carlson’s argument that outside pressure had helped push Trump toward war, asking whether a simpler explanation might be that the president lacked knowledge of foreign affairs, ignored advice and ultimately made a mistake.

Carlson rejected that interpretation.

According to him, he spoke with Trump at least 10 times during February and repeatedly discussed the possibility that war could disrupt oil and gas supplies throughout the Middle East.

“And so the idea that Trump didn’t know the risks — and once again, I’m in an unusual position because I talked to Trump,” Carlson said.

Carlson’s argument rests heavily on his own private conversations with the president, including the Oval Office encounter that he had not previously described publicly.

A private meeting days before war

Carlson said he had recently returned from Israel, where he interviewed US Ambassador Mike Huckabee, before meeting Trump alone at the White House.

Huckabee’s comments during that interview had already generated controversy, and Carlson said Trump was unhappy about the way he had challenged the ambassador.

Carlson told Trump that Huckabee’s remarks had caused “a diplomatic incident.”

The conversation then moved to Iran.

Carlson said he challenged the official reasoning surrounding the looming conflict and reminded Trump of his previous claims about Iran’s nuclear program.

“But then I said, this war is not about Iran’s nuclear program, which you told me and the world that you eliminated back in last summer in June,” Carlson recalled.

His argument went considerably further.

Carlson told Trump that, in his view, Israel had three broader strategic objectives: establishing regional dominance, weakening the six Gulf states and eventually driving American military bases out of the Middle East.

Those claims represent Carlson’s interpretation of Israeli strategy rather than independently established facts.

Trump’s alleged response is what left him stunned.

‘We all die anyway’

Carlson says he delivered his warning directly to Trump shortly before the war began.

“I said this to Trump, to his face, in the Oval Office days before the war began,” Carlson told Inskeep.

According to Carlson, Trump did not dispute his argument.

“And he looked at me and said, ‘Yes, you’re right. But in the end, we all die anyway, so it doesn’t matter.’ That’s exactly what he said.”

Carlson recalled immediately challenging the president over the remark.

“And I said to him, shocked, but what about our kids and our grandkids and, like, our country?”

According to Carlson, Trump simply responded: “Ugh.”

No further answer followed, he said.

Carlson described the exchange as something that fundamentally disturbed him.

“And I was shocked by that because it’s nihilism, and that’s the last thing any leader should display or any person should display,” Carlson said.

“It does matter. Who lives or dies does matter.”

NPR’s published account confirms that Carlson presented the exchange as a verbatim recollection, but the broadcaster also notes that the White House did not specifically confirm or deny his version of events.

Former allies are now miles apart

Political distance between Carlson and Trump has become increasingly difficult to miss.

Carlson has attacked the Iran war since it began and has gone much further than merely criticizing individual decisions. His comments about Trump now bear little resemblance to the enthusiastic support he offered during the 2024 campaign.

Trump has returned the favor.

Back in April, the president lashed out at Carlson and several other former or current figures on the MAGA right who had criticized his Iran policy.

Trump called Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens and Alex Jones “stupid people” and accused them of effectively wanting Iran to possess nuclear weapons.

Carlson received some particularly personal attention.

Trump wrote that Carlson “couldn’t even finish College,” described him as a “broken man” after his departure from Fox News and finished with another jab:

“Perhaps he should see a good psychiatrist!”

This article is made and published by Nicolai H, who may have used AI in the preparation